ablebodiedman posted~ 4 hours ago
"If you see suffering it is because of the futility of a rulership that has become seperated from God."
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Ablebodiedman..
How do you explain why God allowed countless animals to suffer before humans even existed, before mankinds rulership began? At that point, surely, it was all under God's rule?
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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bttt for any brave theists..
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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations
by flipper inhowever- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.
just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.
to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .
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(Notice when this was written)
Wt 6/15 1962 p.380-383
"Likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future. One might ask, In what year will Armageddon begin?...Jehovah has not provided answers at this time. Do you think it wise for Christians to take time from more profitable Bible study to speculate on the answers? Consider the dangers...involves more than saving time. It may save your life...Personal theories can cause division of thought..By setting up hypothetical situations and then speculating..are we not in fact adding to Jehovahs words?..We cannot worship Jehovah in spirit and in truth if our worship is based on speculation. Truth and theory are not synonymous. " -
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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?
by Zoos in1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .
(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).
what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?
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Great point, Black Sheep. Speculation is not recommended (notice the date on this quote)..
Wt 6/15 1962 p.380-383
"Likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future. One might ask, In what year will Armageddon begin?...Jehovah has not provided answers at this time. Do you think it wise for Christians to take time from more profitable Bible study to speculate on the answers? Consider the dangers...involves more than saving time. It may save your life...Personal theories can cause division of thought..By setting up hypothetical situations and then speculating..are we not in fact adding to Jehovahs words?..We cannot worship Jehovah in spirit and in truth if our worship is based on speculation. Truth and theory are not synonymous. " -
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I want to start a website/ministry to help JWs leaving - how and why?
by Dogpatch ini have plenty of tips on my older site on starting ministries or outreaches.
though today they are now generally sites for public assistance, not personal blogs or opinion or doctrinal sites.
free minds has covered doctrines, news, opinions, and more for 32 years (since 1996 online).
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Thanks for the great website.
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The March 1, 1952 Watchtower says, "Go back... and Die!"
by Londo111 in"those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say hello or goodbye to him.
he is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him.
such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of god.
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Thanks Atlantis!
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Emotional Blackmail and JWs
by Lady Lee inemotional blackmail is a form of controlling one person to gets ones needs met.
a blackmailer may use direct or indirect threats against us to get what they want regardless of our opinions or feelings.
the one great threat is: if you dont behave the way i want you to, i will make your life miserable.
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A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)
by Focus insome souls here may feel i was a little harsh.
if so, i am deeply sorry.
i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.
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A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)
by Focus insome souls here may feel i was a little harsh.
if so, i am deeply sorry.
i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.
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"The tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress is a relatively new tort; however, it is recognized in a number of jurisdictions.
A plaintiff may recover damages if he or she can prove that the defendant intentionally inflicted the emotional distress. The tort is used most often in situations where the plaintiff was threatened with the use of physical force, but never actually suffered physical injuries. For instance, if the defendant threatened to assault the plaintiff, yet never actually did, the plaintiff may still have suffered considerable emotional distress damages as a result of the threat. In order to receive compensation for any of the emotional distress torts, a plaintiff must first file a lawsuit against the defendant. Once the lawsuit has been filed, the parties may be able to work out a settlement for emotional distress damages outside of court. If a settlement is not agreed upon outside of court, then a trial will be necessary. At trial, the plaintiff will need to present evidence that he or she was emotionally traumatized by the defendant's conduct. Witness testimony, medical records, and diary or journal entries are often good sources of evidence to prove emotional distress."
http://m.wisegeek.com/how-do-i-seek-emotional-distress-damages.htm
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"How to Sue for Emotional DistressTo file a lawsuit, you generally need to show “damage” of some sort. First you prove that you were harmed by someone else, and that they should be held responsible. Then you attempt to set a monetary value on the harm you have sustained (compensatory damages), and in some cases, to show that the defendant should pay an additional amount as punishment (punitive damages).
As we all know, others can harm us both physically and emotionally; and sometimes, the latter can be worse than the former.
Can you, therefore, sue for emotional distress? The answer is yes. However, such lawsuits can be tricky. If you are suing only for emotional distress, you will probably have an uphill battle. First of all, recoverable damages in such cases are usually relatively low. Because bogus claims in this area are common–and difficult to prove–courts are generally suspicious of “stand alone” emotional distress claims. This doesn’t make them impossible–only difficult.The situation becomes easier when physical harm or illness has been caused. When a visible physical impairment can be shown to be the direct result of someone else’s action or product, it is much easier to then convince the court that emotional distress has been caused as an outgrowth. Also, you may be able to demonstrate, and collect damages for, loss of earnings or earnings capacity as well as for physical pain and suffering."
http://www.howtosue.org/suing-for-emotional-distress/
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This will be a GREAT organization!
by Kensho inwhen...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.
2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.
sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.
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ADCMS: "Take a Pioneer off the list and see if they continue to put in Pioneer hours. Without the title to go along with the "self-sacrifice", no JW will expend the effort...ever. "
Amen to that. I always wondered what was the point in giving people a title such as 'pioneer'. Obviously it is a motivator, love of God just ain't enough.
ADCMS said:"No JWs...donate to charities."
Just have to point out, that is completely untrue. I have done, and still do. So do some of my friends and family that are Witnesses. No need to exaggerate, you're more intelligient than that.